Suspicious player: "BONK BONK BONK" Options
Fat Pigeon
#1 Posted: : Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:59:24 PM
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I'm pretty hesitant to post this, since it was only a brief incident and I have no real evidence, but then, I thought, why not. Maybe I was just playing poorly and this guy is good and can get to places I can't. I don't know. It was probably just bad luck on my part.



I joined Tempest 1 for a few minutes (about from 13:10 to 13:20 PST) when I saw someone online there. After capping Point B undisturbed, I figure he's sitting in the respawn room so I hop over to Point A. After a second or two there, he eventually shows up and after a shootout, I die. No problems so far. I respawn as a scout, and try again and die. So I switch to soldier and, much to my surprise, he's sitting atop Point A and unloads a pistol clip at me from his spot to the end of the respawn tunnel, hitting me with 8 of his 12 bullets (I can attribute the shots to luck, but I don't think it's possible for a scout to get up there). I continue forward and pick up the health and after shooting the guy with 2 crit rockets (which I guess missed), 2 normal rockets, 6 shotgun shells, and finally a crit shovel before he dies (again, he was double jumping, so I could have simply missed). He respawns as a soldier, walks over, and after each of us shooting 4 rockets, I die. This is where I started to get suspicious about actual cheating aside from him being on the roof: He was almost at full health (but that can be dismissed because I did kill him before). I respawn and walk out and see him standing on the roof of the shed nearest the tunnel exit, he kills me. I respawn and return. He rocket jumps off of the roof, lands, fires once, then rocket jumps again and fires. Now I got extremely suspicious. So far he's made 3 rocket jumps and one long landing, so he must almost be dead. He switches to shotgun and I hit him with at the very least splash damage from 3 rockets. He doesn't die. I switch to shotgun, too. 3 shots later, still alive. I finally get a crit and he dies, but that really left me wondering.

I didn't record a demo of the event (kind of hard to do 1 vs. 1), and I didn't think much of it until I started up a single player game on Gravel Pit and found that there's really no possible way for a scout to get up there as far as I could tell.


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That's where he was. The only way to possibly get there is to jump from the roof of the building to the left, but there's clearly no way for a scout to get there.


I know this really isn't enough to act upon (or at least I hope it isn't), so it's more a long the line of a please pay attention to future encounters with him.
tpractice
#2 Posted: : Friday, August 15, 2008 12:32:33 AM
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I've seen a few players(playing soldiers) do multiple rocket jumps without taking damage.  The times I have seen this, it always looks scripted.   There might be a script that allows the rocket jump without taking damage.

Fat Pigeon
#3 Posted: : Friday, August 15, 2008 4:22:19 PM
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tpractice wrote:

I've seen a few players(playing soldiers) do multiple rocket jumps without taking damage.  The times I have seen this, it always looks scripted.   There might be a script that allows the rocket jump without taking damage.



That doesn't make much sense to me. I've seen plenty of players using scripted rocket jumps to consistently jump at a 45 degree angle or so, but not taking damage sounds like either a glitch or cheat.  The biggest :( thing about this guy was getting on that roof as a scout. I've never seen a scout up there before, neither in a game nor in a video. Getting up there as a soldier or demoman, sure, but there's simply no place a scout can jump from to reach that spot. If it is possible, well, maybe I'm wrong about the whole thing, which is possible, I suppose.
Giller [GwDR]
#4 Posted: : Friday, August 15, 2008 5:53:28 PM
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tpractice wrote:

I've seen a few players(playing soldiers) do multiple rocket jumps without taking damage.  The times I have seen this, it always looks scripted.   There might be a script that allows the rocket jump without taking damage.

Yeah a script only executes a series of actions....i haven't heard of it every being used to somehow negate damage.  Now if he had a script to execute the "perfect" rocket jump that did minimal damage...then it could probably pull off 3 jumps even with fall damage....but if pigeon really did hit him with with some splash and shot...well i would be suspicious too.   Of course like he said....could jsut be perception.  Sometimes I swear I hit somebody 3 or 4 times and they are surely almost dead....and the kill cam only shows like 20% damage.  And I curse at how poorly i performed.


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ahhhh_crap
#5 Posted: : Friday, August 15, 2008 8:00:27 PM
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For what its worth I'll keep an eye out...Pigeon's talent as a soldier makes me skeptical about him missing. And agreed on the scout thing, don't know how he got up there as a scout. Thanks for the post Fatty.

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