Poll Question : What would you prefer?
Choice Votes Statistics
Keep "The Tempest" as is. 3 15 %
Remove "The Tempest". Rent a new server. 8 42 %
Keep "The Tempest", but also get another server. 8 42 %

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The condition of "The Tempest" Options
Mr. 12
#1 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 10:25:21 AM
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So it's been long since discussed matter that "The Tempest" is the most important server for us to have, rather that be 6 of them or just 1. It's the central hub of the clan and how people meet, if you will, and this has been true for most of the other servers since the HL2 days. I'm already aware of the many issues plaguing it, so let's avoid making this into a "what I hate about Tempest" thread. I would "like" to keep the old server, but at the same time, I would prefer us getting a brand new one that could be monitored a bit better, avoid the lag issues, possibly save us some money, and enable us to do more in the future. I'm going to leave this in the hands of the community to decide, as a whole, so that action can be taken in the appropriate direction.

Where the second choice states "Remove "The Tempest". Rent a new server.", the action taken would literally be that. I can ask Whut to have Sirus disable the server, and we can just operate on our own terms on that front. Of course, the negative of that would mostly be maintaining a brand new server, obviously. For some of you, you want this. For others, you want nothing touched. The truth of the matter is that I'm not Whut. If you want your classic wdfnews.com community and pDs to be as is, then you're asking for Whut to lead this place again (I wish he was, at times). Considering that I'm literally trying to fill in his shoes to maintain a community I've only been apart of 1/10 of it's existence, I really don't have much of a choice now but to restructure what's in place to get some efficiency going around here.

I don't care if you're clan involved or not; everybody can vote on this. If possible, leave a comment stating how you feel, so we can get a good debate going on the matter.

Thanks for your time.

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#2 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 11:31:42 AM
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First off, as someone who isn't intimately involved with the inner workings of the tempest and is unaware of how much of this information has been publically made available, I'd like to inquire as to just what "the many issues" are, objectively of course, and how purchasing our own would "enable us to do more." I think the main crux of this situation is just what is holding us back, and if having the server in the hands of Sirus is actually doing that.
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#3 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 11:39:18 AM
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The Tempest would be a lot better if people would actually play on it.

Just sayin'.
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#4 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 11:54:00 AM
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HolyJaw wrote:
First off, as someone who isn't intimately involved with the inner workings of the tempest and is unaware of how much of this information has been publically made available, I'd like to inquire as to just what "the many issues" are, objectively of course, and how purchasing our own would "enable us to do more." I think the main crux of this situation is just what is holding us back, and if having the server in the hands of Sirus is actually doing that.


Having Sirus in control of the servers isn't the primary issue, as it is the amount of back and forth needed to get something done. The problems relate to how much information I know of as of now and can manipulate to effectively maintain the main server, while also having to get somebody to juggle one aspect or another (Ex. me going to sunfox to fix a plugin, or add people to the server admins list, or asking why there's lag, etc., etc.). Sometimes there's no issue fixing things -- sometimes there is. Lag, for instance, is caused by certain things related to how the server is setup. There's pages worth of information about how The Tempest works, but what details I have only skim the surface of what I truly need to know to effectively run it on my own terms.

My biggest issue is the amount of money needed to support the main server. The value is virtually unknown to me and the cost to maintain it is exceptionally high. What you're all literally doing is sending off money through donations for the server, while in the meantime, I have no control -- let alone recordings -- of what is being spent. Since that's through an account someone else controls, the benefit of a new server would be less money spent (money I would be able to account for), a true understanding of what's going on internally because that would be a fresh start on most fronts, and knowing who can pull what strings.
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#5 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 1:48:26 PM
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I'm going to say remove the tempest, and get a new server. A new name that will place it closer to the top of the server list would boost the people playing exponentially.
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Tempest would be better if the ping didn't suck, just sayin...
Though when I was playing yesterday with roughly 24 people the ping was quite nice... 32 players in a server is just stupid
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#7 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 4:13:18 PM
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The Tempest is always more fun when people play in it. I totally agree Mrs. C. However, the main problem is that we have no access to the guts of the server. To get anything changed on that front is like stumbling through a cooperate maze. Well, not really, but it might as well be that bad.
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#8 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 7:25:59 PM
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First off, this isn't Whuts clan or group. Yea, he started it, he put the financial and time support into it, turned it into something. Then he walked away. I'm not part of the clan, I've never tried to join, its not my thing. So from the outside i'm going to look at you guys (and quasi-gals) who ARE still taking part, ARE still interested, and remind you politley (read: with a shovel over the head) that this is YOUR clan and group now. Do not tie yourselves down to some golden calf. Make it yours, move with it. Let it stand or fail as something that is yours, not fade away as the memories of someone else.

So yea, the tempest has no people playing in it more often than not. There are reasons. If a server is no good, then it should not be continued to be used. If this is simply the case, then let that be simply the case and move along and get a server that will work. If its not the case, if this piece of hardware can be salvaged, then do so only if it's the smartest move.

CMS has some cool servers that work pretty good, they're not nearly as full as even Temp 2 was back in the day. The key is getting a server that the largest variety of people can play on, making it worthwhile to play on, and going from there.

But, I'm not voting. This is y'alls group, make it yours, lead the way, and as always let people choose to follow or not.
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#9 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 9:27:42 PM
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ahhhh_crap wrote:
First off, this isn't Whuts clan or group. Yea, he started it, he put the financial and time support into it, turned it into something. Then he walked away. I'm not part of the clan, I've never tried to join, its not my thing. So from the outside i'm going to look at you guys (and quasi-gals) who ARE still taking part, ARE still interested, and remind you politley (read: with a shovel over the head) that this is YOUR clan and group now. Do not tie yourselves down to some golden calf. Make it yours, move with it. Let it stand or fail as something that is yours, not fade away as the memories of someone else.


If the "old" members all came back after we hijacked the clan, we'd have a war on our hands. =l

I just want to revitalize the clan/forum with new and active people. We aren't going to do that with a single server that isn't very good in the first place.
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#10 Posted: : Friday, December 04, 2009 9:57:41 PM
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I think the main thing you guys need, is a server you can control.
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#11 Posted: : Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:34:00 AM
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ahhhh_crap wrote:
So yea, the tempest has no people playing in it more often than not. There are reasons. If a server is no good, then it should not be continued to be used. If this is simply the case, then let that be simply the case and move along and get a server that will work. If its not the case, if this piece of hardware can be salvaged, then do so only if it's the smartest move.


Well spoken.
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#12 Posted: : Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:40:26 AM
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#13 Posted: : Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:14:08 AM
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This server has mad hops. It's furious strength is blinding. If you have bad ping, it's because you're either midwest or east-coast. Those with said complaints are, so there's that squared away.

The server sits empty because members aren't playing on it. They're playing other games. TF2 is losing appeal in the light of other, newer titles. This is out of our control. Sirus has spoken to the affect of "I'll pay for this server until I don't feel like paying for it any more."

Our position in the chart (alphabetically and ping) is actually rather high if you (like most west-coast players) search for west-coast servers. There's a reason the roaring majority of clan members hail from the northwest/west coast.

This server's totally baller as it is. It just needs people (us) to fill it. I know I'll be back in action as I recently acquired a new headset (yes, the fact that I couldn't talk made me stop playing). Will you?
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#14 Posted: : Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:12:32 AM
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The Tempest was hopping last night. It is always so much fun to play with clan members!
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#15 Posted: : Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:23:25 AM
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defiance wrote:
I think the main thing you guys need, is a server you can control.


Yup. Precisely.
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