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Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Registered User
Joined: 8/2/2009 Posts: 47 Points: 150
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As a donator, I don't feel like I deserve any special treatment I do however feel like I have some say (like others) about the status of admin usage on Tempest servers.
ahhh_crap has been abusing his admin against me for quite a while now, mainly in the form of kicking me without a *legitimate* reason. There were definitely a few times where my kick was more than appropriate (see my childish mm1)...even these were without warning.
However, today ahhh_crap totally overstepped his bounds, IMHO. I was banned for cheating? I hope he has a demo to prove it, I think it was just done out of frustration during the game.
I won't be donating any more to WDF until ahh_crap is disciplined (in the form of his admin being restricted). Lame admin actions such as banning players because they manage to frag an admin, reflect on this entire community.
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Rank: Polio Power!

Groups: Registered User, Server Admin
Joined: 6/14/2008 Posts: 620 Points: 1,278 Location: San Diego
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The jist of what he's saying isn't wrong at all. I've definitly kicked him in the past, though I realized eventually if I just gagged him it solved the problems and he wasn't whining. He has been warned about his behavior for nigh on several months, the message is always "stop being a dick". That he has managed to piss off more players than anyone else, not for his gaming which he is fairly top notch at, but rather his attitude and condiscending attutide towards others has left me never much caring for the guy. In the past I have kicked him after warnings, then I stopped bothering with warnings as I figured he had learned by then what was appropriate. I've never taken the ban step previously as not feeling it was justifiable. Yes, he's a good player, he's in the top10, surely any issues of his can just be worked out. The reason I banned today was due to an exploit/possible fishiness. Numerous players are getting backstabbed by him, this is normal and expected part of gameplay and admirable on his part for being so good at spy. The part that started getting a lot of complaints coming my way was "we're not hearing him decloak". Odd, but maybe they're just caught up in the numerous other sound effects going on in a 32 player game. Then I have a long time member of the community inform me that following him, within a very short distance, he notes an instant decloak, stab, instant recloak. All with no sound, all very very instantaneous. This is why I put up a one week ban.
Prior to this, I won't deny that my intention was to put up a vote in admin forum asking if this player should be banned for his behavior. The amount of pDs'ers and wdfnews'ers and tempest regulars that have complained about this player reminded me of the time when whut stepped in and kicked/banned me for being a loudmouth and pissing people off to a point where it wasn't worth having me around. I'm pretty sure he's worse though, as I was never quite as condiscending towards other, I was just a loudmouthed nuisance <ironically not having a mic didn't cause me too much a problem>. So yes, I put a one week ban on this player. Whut/other high ups, please message me via steam and I'll fill you in the details as well as give a link to the demo once I get it put up somewhere.
In the meantime I'm confident in my decision, I know of other admins and members who support it and will support it. If donaters are to be granted special privledges in their behavior, please inform the admins and give us a complete list so we know who is to be allowed to behave however they should so choose.
In the meantime....Cheers!
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Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Registered User
Joined: 8/2/2009 Posts: 47 Points: 150
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I think we both agree on most points. I did have a stint of mm1 lameness which I'm not going to deny. However, that stint has long been over...your stint of abusing your admin did not cease.
I'd love to see this demo, please post the link on the thread as well. Please also take care to explain where in the demo you thought the exploit might be. I'll disregard your "fishness" comment..."fishness" is subjective ;-)
Also, you bring up my public chat quite a bit but your ban was not around that (because I have STFU now and am a good boy) but rather your own belief I was cheating (note no body else thought so).
EDIT: ah, I see what you thought the reason I was cheating was...due to the lack of de-cloaking sounds. This definitely made me giggle a little, thanks! The runs I do I don't decloak near enemies, usually in a corner.
In your case, you were busy firing at one entrance so I cloaked, flanked and came up behind you *de-cloaked* (I lost my cloak well before I got behind you). Pretty standard stuff for spies I think.
Perhaps a misunderstanding but still, LAME. A mature admin would have asked the player in question first...or at the very least used that ever so helpful spectate functionality :-P
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Rank: Taco Technician

Groups: Registered User, {pDs} Member
Joined: 5/9/2006 Posts: 3,933 Points: 3,591 Location: Hi-Five City
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Some guy telling you what he saw isn't very good evidence for a ban. There should have been a recorded demo. As far as communication goes.. if you earn the right to talk shit, talk shit. Where's the fun in playing a competitive game if everyone is quiet and humble? A line should be drawn at verbally abusing others, but if you're the king of new york, declare that shit. Edit: I may have come off sympathetic to hwguy, but I have to say, in all fairness, the decision of AC and Drak may have been hasty. That said, I don't consider hwguy fun to have around at all. I was told by a member who quit pDs that it was hwguy among others that influenced his decision. Another edit: even still after this, as somebody who also has a past of being an arrogant knob and troll, I understand what it's like to try and get sympathy after changing your ways. It's not easy. hwguy should be given a second chance and his gameplay should be monitored by a neutral and anonymous party. I don't think AC deserves disciplinary action.
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Rank: Administration

Groups: {pDs} Member, Registered User, Server Admin
Joined: 5/6/2008 Posts: 166 Points: 324 Location: Milwaukee
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Well I was also in that game and many others and i think that craps mute's, kicks and now a ban were in order and not abusing his admin rights. bestesthwguy "Also, you bring up my public chat quite a bit but your ban was not around that (because I have STFU now and am a good boy) but rather your own belief I was cheating (note no body else thought so)." Was not just what he thought I as a admin was thinking the same thing as were many others in that game. There have been many other time were people call me in because they think he was hacking, and when i get in he is topping the charts with more then 40 or so more points then anyone else so i spec and his game play drops, so i think nothing of it till i go in the game and he starts to rape again. That does not happen only to me other admins say the same. {pDs} Muffalopadus [DI]: I'm running around throwing dildos at people naked while riding a unicicle Well, Star Wars Galaxies got into a massive head on collision with a truck carrying gasoline, causing a massive explosion. Star Wars Galaxies was then taken from the wreckage, raped, and beat the **** out of. It is now in a comatose, charred state, while on life support. 
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Rank: You're gonna stick that where?
Groups: Registered User
Joined: 5/5/2009 Posts: 353 Points: 1,113 Location: San Antonio
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Well...Look at this. First, I would like to say that I have been playing on tempest, since the 'bestest' arrived. He is a good player, sure. (of course, if he doesn't have a medic, good luck seeing him do well with soldier/demo/heavy). however, his shit attitude makes tempest not as fun. I love to play with good players, it is real treat, and it is the only time i step up my game in a TF2 pub, but skill doesn't really matter, does it? I mean, its a pub, being skilled in a pub, is cool, but doesn't make you the real deal. Pubs are for one thing, fun. Bestest, takes every kill/death too seriously, he acts like a total douche bag. I totally back up ahhh_crap, I hope the admins do to. Also, bitch move pulling out the donation card. EDIT: bestest, you should be the last one to define "mature". [CMS]defiance - Steam: defiance018 - Xfire: defianceoby - www.constantmayhem.com
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Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Registered User
Joined: 8/2/2009 Posts: 47 Points: 150
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Thinking I hack is a long cry from a ban due to hacking.
defiance, thanks for your comments...I agree I was talky in the past but we haven't even played together for a while now, what's up? :-)
Like I said, I've been a good boy lately and this ban needs a lot more justifying at this point in time than just your instincts. Instincts have a weird tendency to get skewed when you are the receiving end of a backstab :-D
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Rank: You're gonna stick that where?
Groups: Registered User
Joined: 5/5/2009 Posts: 353 Points: 1,113 Location: San Antonio
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That is true, I haven't played with you for a long time, but from what I hear, you are the same old bestest. [CMS]defiance - Steam: defiance018 - Xfire: defianceoby - www.constantmayhem.com
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Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Registered User
Joined: 8/2/2009 Posts: 47 Points: 150
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Lead Salad wrote:Some guy telling you what he saw isn't very good evidence for a ban. There should have been a recorded demo. On a side note, I believe Lead Salad should be banned because my gut tells me he uses an aimbot.
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Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Registered User
Joined: 8/2/2009 Posts: 47 Points: 150
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defiance wrote:That is true, I haven't played with you for a long time, but from what I hear, you are the same old bestest. I'm on the CMS server right now. Come on so I can show you my new sniper skills :-D
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Rank: You're gonna stick that where?
Groups: Registered User, Server Admin
Joined: 12/20/2007 Posts: 449 Points: 312 Location: Cheesehead
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I haven't been on the Tempest's for a little while now, but, in the past I have been "involved" with some HWG/Crappy issues. After HWG messaging me that Crap was abusing his admin, I would talk to Crappy and find out the other side of the story. I found that not only was the action (at the time I think it was muting or gagging) justified, but it was deserved. One thing that has to be taken into account, is how the OTHER players are reacting. If the entire server thinks he's a dick and not coming back because a dick is allowed to berate other players, that is wrong. Actions should be taken. In HWG's case, actions were taken. He had been warned numerous times and has been on the servers long enough to know the rules. Shit, there is even a TOS you have to agree to now. There's your warning. Don't like it GTFO. Want to abuse it? An admin will show you the door. I am not going to comment on the cheating because I don't know. But I have seen these incidents Drahken describes. Playing l33t one second, then when a spec comes, turn average at best. Now that isn't a reason to ban, but it does raise suspicions. One last thing, I have personally kicked, and instituted a one day ban for HWG being a dick so I know that it isn't out of the realm of possibility. I don't know if a one week ban was in order, but I do know I stand behind Crappy as an admin and trust his judgement without question.
 Do not eat the contents of this post.
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Rank: The Number 12 Personified

Groups: {pDs} Member, Administration
Joined: 2/5/2009 Posts: 449 Points: 9,369 Location: next to 11 and 13
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Never a day without commotion... I'll look into the demo, spec if possible, and review what's being said here with whoever I can find before making Craps call "legit". I know there's some history here, so I know there's a line of bias, but I'll disregard the past until there's consistent proof within the demo itself. In regards to the bad mouthing, I'll take everyones' word on it, but that shouldn't be the biggest reason for this ban, at this moment. People go off with the mouth all the time in pub games. I would know: I call Defiance a hacker all the time. If, of course, the bad mouthing is to the extremes of racial profiling and uncalled for slurs, then yes, we can address this matter in a different context. Right now though, I want to clear up what's all been said here and make sure that both Crap and HWG have a fair voice. DredNaught wrote:In regard to the ladies... or lack thereof: Just remember that it's about quality, not quantity. And when you do meet a lucky lady, don't be a fool, wrap your tool!
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Rank: Administration

Groups: Administration, Newsie, Registered User, Server Admin
Joined: 11/6/2007 Posts: 985 Points: 777
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Okay, "higher up" engaged on the issue. I'm holding back judgment for either side until I've seen the demo and discussed with some other admins what (if anything) should be done. The goal is to give latitude to the good faith of our server admins, while being fair to anyone against whom enforcement actions are taken. Please, any other admins or forum administrators wishing to weigh in on the issue (in support of either side), please feel free to do so, but please contact me via PM or Steam if you have a suggestion on the remedial action to be taken. HolyJaw wrote:In the end, everything Endyss said.
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Rank: Advanced Member

Groups: Registered User
Joined: 8/2/2009 Posts: 47 Points: 150
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As far as the spectating comments go, I guess you must be "on" all the time. These types of statements are so fluid I can't even believe people bring them up. Demos, or it didn't happen...this should be the standard.
EDIT: I don't know anything about people refusing to play on Tempest because of me. I will say that I brought a lot of players to Tempest (I actually have the player names, not just a "I heard"). There was a period of time where when I joined tempest 5+ players from my friends list would join, one of these would be my medic (yay!).
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Rank: Taco Technician

Groups: Registered User, {pDs} Member
Joined: 5/9/2006 Posts: 3,933 Points: 3,591 Location: Hi-Five City
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bestesthwguy wrote:EDIT: I don't know anything about people refusing to play on Tempest because of me. I will say that I brought a lot of players to Tempest (I actually have the player names, not just a "I heard"). There was a period of time where when I joined tempest 5+ players from my friends list would join, one of these would be my medic (yay!). I was told in private, I'm not going to betray their trust and say who it was. But since you seem to be so interested in SOLID PROOF I will say that I myself have avoided playing on the tempest and on the CMS server due to your bad attitude.
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