While you are at it you can look into why the HLstats reports are so lagged. Sometimes I will go on a kill streak, then die. and it wont report the events for about 30 sec- 1 min. Sometimes it misses events all together...like sentry kills, etc.

if it makes you feel better giller i'm not really playing a lot of tf2 anymore so feel free to take my spot...i stopped caring about having a rank since i realized i don't need a rank to be feared! muhahahaha! :P
also left 4 dead and civ 4 have been taking up my gaming time when i'm not playing rock band 2, resident evil 5 or mlb: the show so if anyone wants to come over and jam lets rock! :D

Well it's not like the top 10 has changed much... it's usually the same 8 people on there and once awhile the 9-10th spot will drop and a new person will take over. So the new format of losing points didn't do it's job

I am near the top, sorta but I agree with Giller, it is mainly a function of time spent playing. Even though I would probably drop many ranks I think that a new system needs to be created. (Although in the end rank does not even really matter, it is just a bunch of numbers right? :) ) Perhaps the higher your rank the less you should get for things like medic assists, sentry gun destruction, and building. I think that the points earned for multiple kills should stay as that is a realistic measure of a persons combat skills. Or your point gain could drop correspondingly to your playing time but people would HATE that...

here's the thing I see as a conundrum. We have a point system by which those at the bottom have the talent to steal a massive amount of points from those on top. This isn't such a bad thing IMO. The problem is thus, the folks on the bottom have to play an excessive amount of time before they can start raping the points from the people on top. Thus people who simply play a lot, and play conservitavely STILL have the edge (such as hwguy or Ducktor when he was playing a lot, pigeon, etc). Here's the flaw. The mid level folks still get screwed by not having a way to actually gain points, but lose the occasional buttload to a newer player. Only way to keep the points up is to either farm points by playing a conservative class or make a point of staying in a point cap server/map.
This all rewards time played over skill.

I like the idea of making the point system based off skill, and I think sunfox had the right idea. I think the problem came with an incredibly high beginning point for people to earn "real" points. Get rid of this, let someone who's on the server for 30 minutes strip off a lot of points from a high up, and the high up has just as much chance to earn some "decent" points from a "low-down".

I think this tweak would be cool. What happens now is there's too broad a range of low end point players and super high end point players, and just like the economy, it suffers. Get the middle back, make the positions more competative. Ways to do this are lower point caps for losses, and also, give full point losses to the player who did the kill. If duck is losing 400 points to a guy, it only makes sense that guy SHOULD jump by 400 points, not by 7 as I've seen. This way he gets a "lucky" bump into the middle class much quicker and won't keep getting those 400 point steals.


I think I'm ranting, someone who's more eloquent understand my ideas and repost them giving me credit for being a genious. Or just give me some pie.

I don't see how this current system is going to point out who has more skill, and not time played. Whatever system you use, its going to be able time played. Or you could base it only off of KDR. However, this isn't a TDM game (seeing as none of the Tempest have arena maps). So your kdr is pointless. There is no point system that could reward the person with the most skill, unless you made sure every1 played the exact same seconds, they person with the more time is always going to have more points. This current system has major flaws, i think the top10 will still stay the same. People that just start playing on the tempest will never catch up to the people in the top10 that are still playing daily...becuase once those people get into the 50-70k range, they will start losing points, and won't be able to catch up with the people that now have 70k points, but by then will have 150k+.

I understand what you are saying Giller, and I do agree with you, a system where you always have to watch your back would be great. The problem is...there aren't enough regulars playing anymore. Bestest isn't going to be caught (unless duck starts playing again). There was a real tight race in the 3-7 spots. K_buz was being chanced by the C.T.D guys, and myself. However, those people aren't playing as much on the tempest.

I hate to say this Giller, but both systems are going to reward time played, look at the time difference between duck and bestest. With this current system it still rewards for time played, unluckily there is nothing you can do to change that.

How about... we lower the points you gain?

Complete objective = +10
Team for objective = +5
Round win = +5
Kill = Max 10
Uber = +5
Team for Uber = 0
Kill assist = +2
Kill assist medic = +3
Build anything = 1
Pick up flag = 0
Drop the flag = 0
Death = Max -15
Etc. = etc. below Death point loss

Requirements = 50 Kills

Reasons
Why low kill requirement till you get normal points?
-So you don't get 1 POINT for killing a fresh player
Why should the points that you earn be lower than the points you can lose?
-Losing 50 points is equal to 1 Completed Objective which is... very easy.