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Ok, so its been almost 6 months since I started Tempest 2.0 and the time for renewing it is coming up in about 3 weeks. I just checked our host's site and it will be the same amount for another 6 months. (That's $305.55 for those of you playing along at home). Before i go and drop that on the server, I wanted to touch base with the whole community to see what everyone feels about this. Based on the number of people playing, and the amount of donations coming in, I am unwilling to increase the player count unless an overwhelming majority of you say otherwise (and send money). If you guys don't want to commit to $300, we can renew for a shorter amount of time, but if we a likely to renew after that, I'd rather go for 6 months anyways because there is a discount for renewing for longer (12.5-15%). They other option is to kill it, but I think that enough people still play on it that people will probably not want this. A final note: If we decide to keep it, I'd appreciate it if you could start donating before I renew, because while I have enough to pay for it, money is a little tight right now. Its not a huge deal, I'm not going to starve or get kicked out of my apartment or anything like that, it would just be nice You can look at the prices yourself here.
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Bragr - Not only is 24 people the optimal level of players per map, its also fiscally sound decision. I vote keep it the same. If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. - Carl Sagan My Backpack
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Hey bragr, even though I sparsely play on the Tempest these days, I do plan to donate to keep this place going. I just graduated college and am in the middle of job hunting (the most dreadful experience I can remember), but when the job comes I'll have some moolah to fork over to you. {pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name Jessica343: so I can get heals {pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea {pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl) Jessica343: hahah
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I say kill it on the basis that you're paying too much. GameServers.com offers 24-slot TF2 at $161.73 for 6 months- nearly half of what you're paying now. Even if you "get what you pay for" and GameServers isn't as good of a provider, I'm sure they're good enough for our needs. I don't see the server being used enough to justify $300 every 6 months. For $300 you could get a server for a year from GameServers. That's a big $$$ difference.
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I personally wouldn't make that move to Gameservers. My old TF2 team had such a bad experience with a server we rented with them as our host - and this is only a 14 slotter. AI really knows what they're doing when it comes to running servers. Not only that, but when you start to cut corners on cost, at some point it's going to affect the quality which in turn affects the people that want to play. I do say though that if money is such an issue (which I am assuming it is), that we try Gameservers for single month and see how it goes for us. If it is smooth and plays as well as AI gaming, then we can make the jump to 6 months at a time, or decide that AI gaming is worth the cost. Even if the month turns out to blow, we still save money because of the price difference/only one month down the drain, and we'll also know to not use them in the future. {pDs} Lead Salad: bike why did you change your name Jessica343: so I can get heals {pDs} Lead Salad: oh damn good idea {pDs} Lead Salad has changed their name to {pDs} Lead Salad (is a girl) Jessica343: hahah
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Rikaelus wrote:I say kill it on the basis that you're paying too much. GameServers.com offers 24-slot TF2 at $161.73 for 6 months- nearly half of what you're paying now.
Even if you "get what you pay for" and GameServers isn't as good of a provider, I'm sure they're good enough for our needs. I don't see the server being used enough to justify $300 every 6 months. For $300 you could get a server for a year from GameServers. That's a big $$$ difference. First of all, when I run the numbers, I get $185. Second, everyone says terrible things about GameServers. On our AI server, its not uncommon for the majority of the people to have a ping of 35 or less, even with a large number of people playing. For GS servers, the average is 120+. When I submit a ticket, AI responds to it within a few minutes, and usually fixes the problem for me, with GS, I hear their tech support is like talking to a 12 year old. Our server has never been down, and the only time we have had problems was when Valve broke everything with an update. When that happened they contacted me to tell me what was going on, and automatically disabled sourcemod for us the server would at least stay up. With AI we get what we pay for, so when we pay for 24 slots and 500fps, we get that, always. With GS, people say that they can't even use their servers when they have 20 people because the servers are so overloaded. Bottom line: sure, I wouldn't have to take as big of a financial risk with GS, but the server would suck, and no one would want to play on it. Side note: Didn't we used to have a rented server that we got rid of because of the above reasons? I'm pretty sure we did, and I though it was from GS. I could be wrong though.
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bragr wrote:First of all, when I run the numbers, I get $185. Not sure how. Even on a monthly basis it's only $30, which would come to $180 total for 6 consecutive months. If you get 6 months at a time there's a 10% discount; technically $162 if you do the math, but their site pretty clearly says $161.73. That number is a copy&paste right off their site, in fact. Quote:Second, everyone says terrible things about GameServers. On our AI server, its not uncommon for the majority of the people to have a ping of 35 or less, even with a large number of people playing. For GS servers, the average is 120+. When I submit a ticket, AI responds to it within a few minutes, and usually fixes the problem for me, with GS, I hear their tech support is like talking to a 12 year old.
Our server has never been down, and the only time we have had problems was when Valve broke everything with an update. When that happened they contacted me to tell me what was going on, and automatically disabled sourcemod for us the server would at least stay up. With AI we get what we pay for, so when we pay for 24 slots and 500fps, we get that, always. With GS, people say that they can't even use their servers when they have 20 people because the servers are so overloaded.
Bottom line: sure, I wouldn't have to take as big of a financial risk with GS, but the server would suck, and no one would want to play on it. *shrug* Just trying to save everyone money. If the server had regular high usage I'd be less inclined to suggest taking risks, but as it really only seems to reach peak on a couple days a week, for a handful of hours, the cost-to-use ratio seems disproportionately high to me. But if the donations make up for the costs, I suppose that's what matters. Quote:Side note: Didn't we used to have a rented server that we got rid of because of the above reasons? I'm pretty sure we did, and I though it was from GS. I could be wrong though. Not sure where the servers of the past came from. Whut has his own server that hosts the site.. thought some, at least, might have been hosted on that.
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Rikaelus wrote:*shrug* Just trying to save everyone money. If the server had regular high usage I'd be less inclined to suggest taking risks, but as it really only seems to reach peak on a couple days a week, for a handful of hours, the cost-to-use ratio seems disproportionately high to me. But if the donations make up for the costs, I suppose that's what matters. With GS, we'd never be able to have those peak usages.
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